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Where is my mind?

Let's talk about DW Series 4 foreshadowing. RTD, I love you for your artistic vision and happy accidents and whatnot, but I am also very angry about it because it just. works. too. well.

I had the idea to make a video about The DoctorDonna. This morphed into making a video about the mental state of Donna and the Doctor throughout Series 4 as they become more and more alike and then their connection is abruptly severed. This morphed into me wondering why my muse wants to torture me with ideas like using Yoav's cover of "Where is My Mind?" for this video, and also why I thought it would be a good artistic choice to have these two lines of dialogue overlap as the song ramps up (at 2:43):
"Ice cream...ice cream...ice cream...ice cream..."
"Binary, binary, binary, binary, binary..."



But I'm getting ahead of myself. Insert foreshadowing joke here. In my search for clips to use in this emotional trainwreck of a video, I noticed more connections and patterns in Donna's journey. There are so many lines of dialogue about remembering and being remembered and memory to the point where I wondered how I didn't predict Donna's fate from the start.

And then there's one scene fairly early on that somehow escaped my attention. There are a few lines of dialogue that are easy to overlook because it's basically exposition, and we know The Doctor does a heck of a lot of that. So let's talk about the scene from "Planet of the Ood" where Ten mind-melds with Donna and then this exchange occurs...
The Doctor: It's a brain. A hind brain. The Ood are born with a secondary brain. Like the amygdala in humans, it processes memory and emotions. You get rid of that, you wouldn't be Donna any more. You'd be like an Ood, a processed Ood.
Donna: So the company... cuts off their brains?
The Doctor: And they stitch on the translator.
Donna: Like a lobotomy. I spent all that time looking for you, Doctor, because I thought it would be so wonderful out here. I want to go home.

Seriously, WHAT THE ACTUAL FRAK?! Has anyone else felt physically ill rewatching that scene after seeing Series 4 all the way through? CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, PLEASE? Can we talk about how the Doctor lobotomized his best friend and turned her into the equivalent of a processed Ood?

And let's not forget that line about the DoctorDonna "fighting, even now" in EoT after the Doctor goes to see the Ood, and they've developed the ability to see the end of everything. Is Donna psychically connected somehow?

Back to PotO and this little line of dialogue:
Doctor: Funny thing, the subconscious. Takes all sorts of shapes. Came out in the red eye as revenge, came out in the rabid Ood as anger, and then there was patience. All that intelligence and mercy, focused on Ood Sigma.

What shape would Donna's subconscious take? Should she follow Ood Sigma's lead, my guess is that she'd fob watch the Doctor into thinking he's John Smith and turn him into a human. After all, he kinda sorta turned her into a Time Lady.

Seriously, where is my mind?

And why did I drink that Red Bull after dinner?

*headdesk*

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sykira
Apr. 5th, 2014 03:15 pm (UTC)
"I noticed more connections and patterns in Donna's journey. There are so many lines of dialogue about remembering and being remembered and memory to the point where I wondered how I didn't predict Donna's fate from the start."

Word.

"Can we talk about how the Doctor lobotomized his best friend and turned her into the equivalent of a processed Ood?"

Yup. And if we were in any doubt of the true horror of this, EoT drives the point home, showing us Donna as both lobotomized, but also, in Wilf's description, desperately empty and sad. It's such a truly terrible monstrous ending for a character, I will NEVER understand how RTD crows with delight when he says Donna got everything she wanted, just by getting to marry some guy RTD' own writing describes as a loser, it's hugely insulting and misogynistic.

I will say though, I think only some of the foreshadowing is deliberate. The Ood thing, probably just resonates.

*hugs*
starseeker32
Apr. 5th, 2014 06:39 pm (UTC)
I had PotO on in the background as I was cleaning, and I heard those lines and pulled a Ten and went "WHAT?!" Immediately, I grabbed the remote and queued it back up to the start of that scene and watched it all the way through. I literally felt physically ill. Not okay, RTD. Not okay.
doctorxdonna
Apr. 5th, 2014 06:35 pm (UTC)
Duuuuuuuude.

This is not okay. Because you're totally right, that Donna became like a processed Ood after 10 took all her memories from her. He took away the person she became when she traveled with him, and even Wilf told him she was better with him. Damnit, right in the feels!
starseeker32
Apr. 5th, 2014 06:44 pm (UTC)
As I mentioned earlier, I felt physically ill when the realization hit. And Donna's reaction ("Take it away. I can't bear it") to how the Ood are treated ("I want to go home") combined with our knowledge of her fate. If you intercut those two scenes from PotO and JE you will end up horrified. And you can trust me on that because I actually used my vid editing software and did it. I had to walk away from my computer after.

Off to watch some crack!vids to cheer myself up.
doctorxdonna
Apr. 5th, 2014 06:47 pm (UTC)
The real reason 10 regenerates is the guilt of what he did to Donna, the radiation was just the icing on the cake.

Edited at 2014-04-05 06:47 pm (UTC)
starseeker32
Apr. 5th, 2014 07:18 pm (UTC)
^This!
dm12
Apr. 6th, 2014 01:59 am (UTC)
I agree, he had more guilt with that than anything else (even accounting for his role in the Time Wars)... it totally shattered him. He spun out of control and was hugely reckless. It was like he was looking to get out.

Her fate made me sick, especially the fact that it was at the Doctor's own hands... he didn't like it when the Time Lords did that to a couple of his former companions, so why would he do it to her, especially when she made her preferences absolutely crystal clear? She wanted to give him her forever, whatever it was, and he denied her that. Went in and ravaged her mind against her will.

The radiation... it was at Wilf's hand the Doctor regenerated. (Not that Wilf wanted to cause the Doctor to "die"...) How ironic.

Even Eleven felt some of the guilt... he actually screamed when Donna's form appeared as the voice interface and asked the TARDIS to give him someone whose life he hadn't ruined yet. Also, he wouldn't respond and might have even cringed a bit when Amy called herself his best friend.
starseeker32
Apr. 6th, 2014 03:35 pm (UTC)
In "Let's Kill Hitler" Eleven said "Give me someone I like." Then (sarcastically) "Give me guilt...more guilt...ahh!" And then he asked if there was anyone's life he hadn't ruined yet. Yeah he screamed when he saw Donna's image. And rightfully so. I've been working on a fic where the Doctor comes back to apologize to Wilf and check on Donna from afar and it has morphed into something way bigger than I expected. I'm getting stuck so I don't want to post the first part until I have it outlined. I have no plan for where this thing is headed and I know I will abandon it if it doesn't work out, so...yeah trying to work on that.
morganfm
Apr. 13th, 2014 05:51 pm (UTC)
*sob* IKR!!! My muse has been dragging my brilliant JE/EoT fix-it idea through the mud of angstyness, and now she's trying to make me go back and turn all of the foreshadowing into emotional buildup to come out after the fix-it. And here I though my first ff was gonna be happy and fluffy. *sigh* why did RTD have to do this to us!
and the deleted scene from the Doctor's Daughter! "We go on, we live, we REMEMBER. For her. What else can we do?" GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. RTD go away and leave my emotions in peace! this does seriously need to be talked about.
starseeker32
Apr. 14th, 2014 12:37 am (UTC)
That scene at the end of The Doctor's Daughter should have stayed, for sure.

There are so many hints at Donna's fate. I got my friend into DW. We got to Journey's End, and as soon as Donna started repeating "binary," my friend got wide-eyed, like everything clicked into place. She grabbed the remote, paused the episode, looked at me, and simply said, "No." I replied, "Get ready to have your heart stepped on."

Of course, some of my friend's predictions were wrong. During The Stolen Earth, when Donna first heard the heartbeat, my friend blurted out, "Oh my God! Is Donna pregnant with the Doctor's telepathic kid?!" I may have choked on my beverage and then thought of ways to manipulate that plotbunny. I can see how she might have jumped to that conclusion, with the theme of family and children throughout the series.
morganfm
Apr. 14th, 2014 03:17 am (UTC)
Oh my gosh I love your friend! and you of course dearie ;)
that is such an awesome alternative to what actually happened. XD
Ugh, heart stepped on is right. You ought to listen to Chameleon Circuit's "An Awful Lot of Running", after a few listens I finally caught the "binary binary binary" and realized the whole thing was about Donna! link to song: https: // www. youtube .com/ watch?v=BAi4izfvXo4
starseeker32
Apr. 14th, 2014 11:52 am (UTC)
A few things:
1. That song is going to be in my head the rest of the day. And
B) Yes, the song is about Donna! If anyone repeats "binary" around me (or says there's something on my back) I will smack them upside the head. Because my friends know of my love for Donna and that would just be cruel.

The same friend who had that awesome Stolen Earth theory stuck a Post-It to my back with a drawing of a bug on it. At work. And got my coworkers to intermittently say, "There's something on your back." For real. Not cool. Maybe she's getting back at me for making her watch Blink and giving her an unhealthy fear of garden statues. *shrug* I guess that's fair.
morganfm
Apr. 16th, 2014 12:44 am (UTC)
hahahahahaha! oooh, that is evil! (but also a little bit mostly hilarious. HA.) Lol yes about the garden statues. I'm making a fanvid about the weeping angels so I've seen that ep maybe two dozen times the last couple of days while I'm editing. super creepy.
starseeker32
Apr. 16th, 2014 11:49 am (UTC)
I think the Weeping Angels are the scariest NuWho villains. And the Silence. Kudos to Moffat for making creepy aliens. I'll give him that.
morganfm
Apr. 16th, 2014 03:25 pm (UTC)
agreed. RTD had some good ones too- Vashta Nerada, for instance.
As annoying as his decisions can be, I'll never be able to hate Moffat completely because River my second fav to Donna. I don't know how you like her, because people's reactions to her range in extremes, but overall I think she's pretty great.
starseeker32
Apr. 16th, 2014 11:00 pm (UTC)
I thought Moffat was the brains behind the Vashta Nerada and The Library, but I could be wrong. The Vashta Nerada are creepy, agreed. I'm a fan of whatever the heck was on Midnight. Not knowing what it is that takes over the Doctor's body makes it all the more terrifying. The fact that Midnight was a last-minute episode still impresses me.

I'm not a huge River fan, but I don't hate her. A friend of mine suggested I watch the episodes in order according to River's personal timeline. Having done so, I have a greater appreciation for what the character had to endure, but she's still not one of my favorites. She still feels shoehorned into the Whoniverse, though I suppose some people could say the same about Donna. The thing with Donna is that the dots more or less all connect. The reveal that River is Melody still doesn't make sense to me. And I don't relate to River the way I do to some of the other characters (like Martha or Donna or Captain Jack or Mickey or Wilf, who might be more developed and seem more like real people). Does that make sense?
morganfm
Apr. 17th, 2014 03:15 am (UTC)
it certainly makes sense, and River does at times feel shoved in there. and her complicated back (or is it front?) story makes her harder to relate to than others, but a) my intro the the whoniverse was via the marathon premiere of aGMGTW, and b) I feel like she's similar to Donna in some really important ways- masking her pain behind a brash exterior and being almost as clever as the Doctor, to name a few. that's what I see in her anyway. I admit I've gone through and not just watched the episodes in her order, but actually edited them into a movie-type full on screen story of River Song showing things only from her perspective, cutting out scenes she wasn't in the room for and the like.
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